Showing posts with label Bart Oates. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Bart Oates. Show all posts

Friday, September 24, 2021

N.Y. Giants: Line of Scrimmage Still in the Dark

From the desk: DO IT FOR THE DUKE

WEEK THREE
Falcons
vs.
GIANTS

If The Hog Mollies Can't Push Around The Atlanta Falcons, Then Who Can They Push?

Some intelligent guy from Greece once said: man is the measure of all things.  If we apply this to football, the Atlanta Falcons will measure the Giants' offensive line.  Because, as I say: once is an event, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a trend.  

Thus, into Game Three, we go.

Another intelligent person on Twitter said that if the Giants get more first downs, the defense spends less time on the field.

Indeed!

  1. Week One, the Broncos achieved 24 first downs, 17 passing, four running, and three on penalties. 
  2. Week Two, Washington completed 25 first downs, 13 passing, eight running, and four on penalties.
  • Through two weeks, opponents have achieved 49 first downs, 30 passing, twelve running, and seven on penalties.
  1. Against the Broncos, the Giants earned 19 first downs, 13 passing, three running, and three on penalties.
  2. Against Washington, they completed 21 first downs, ten passing, seven running, and four on penalties.
  • All told, the Giants have achieved 40 first downs, 23 passing, ten running, and seven on penalties.

Said another way, the Giants are getting outplayed.  But do with these numbers as you will.  Just know they're being polluted by Daniel Jones.  The Giant quarterback leads the team through two games with 122 yards running on 15 romps, with two touchdowns, one fumble, and no trip-ups ... yet.

The backfield of Saquon Barkley and Devontae Booker together has rushed 29 times for 99 yards.  If you take away Barkley's 41-yard run against Washington, Saquon finishes that game with twelve rushes for 16 yards.  With his 41-yard romp, Barkley has now rushed 23 times for 83 total yards, averaging 3.6 yards per run.  He carried ten times against the Broncos and 13 times against Washington.  Is he being eased back into action coming off last year's injury?  Indeed he is.

However, the numbers still speak for themselves.  In light of Saquon's soft return, there are two, actually three, big reasons why Devontae Booker is not helping bring the rushes per game up from 14 and 15 to upwards of twenty-plus per game.  

Sometimes stuff like this needs to be revisited ...

ONE  -  The days of the highly skilled blocking fullback (Maurice Carthon) have gone the way of the Dodo Bird - flightless, grounded, extinct.  Phil Simms and the Giants do not win Super Bowl XXI without Joe Morris; Jeff Hostetler and company do not win XXV without Otis Anderson.  Heck, Kerry Collins, and Jim Fassel do not get to XXXV without Tiki Barber.  What these three teams had in common was a formidable offensive line.  After the 2000 season, Ernie Accorsi further supplemented it, and that offensive line set a record for consecutive games played together.  They all waited for Eli Manning to grow up, and when he did, the Giants won two more Super Bowls.  But, of course, that doesn't happen without Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw.  What did the 1986/1990 Giants have in common with 2007/2011 Giants, you ask?  Both teams featured Pro Bowl-caliber centers in Bart Oates and Shaun O'Hara.

TWO. -  Bill Parcell's Giants were straight out smash mouth.  Simms was tasked with being a field manager.  That's why he glistened in Super Bowl XXI because entering that game, the Giants had already stamped the NFL with their running game.  Nor did 2007 and 2011 happen without offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride, who, despite pass-happy Tom Coughlin, called a balanced game; after all, the Giants featured a formidable running game.  The point being, offensive coordinator Jason Garrett is the one calling plays.  His style often works contrary to the available talent pool; his sense of pass/run balance is nonexistent.  Everything in between is rightly within questioning.

THREE  -  Forget the history lesson; the Hog Mollies are simply not performing at a contending level, never have.  After 2011, Jerry Reese then Dave Gettleman have never satisfactorily rebuilt the offensive line.  Instead, they effectively ruined the latter part of Eli Manning's career.  But I digress.  The offensive line is not creating enough daylight.  Open a lane, and I can push a mailbox through for positive yardage.  Otherwise, the line of scrimmage remains dark.  Whether by design or taking what is given, yardage gained by Daniel Jones is strictly opportunistic football.  It's the complete antithesis of what we Giant fans know works because it's been proven: clock-control smash-mouth football.

The season-ending injury to Shane Lemieux, and presently to Nick Gates (IR) further compound matters.  The Giants will be moving forward with Andrew Thomas, Ben Bredeson, Billy Price at the center, Will Hernandez, and Nate Solder, with Matt Peart and recently signed (C) Jonothan Harrison on call.  

Newly inserted center Billy Price did not at all have a good game against Washington.  Andrew Thomas was better from week one to the next.  Nate Solder and Will Hernandez remain pedestrian, and Ben Bredeson performed under par. 

What more can I say, other than there's a reason teams like the Steelers and others make such huge investments into their (center) offensive lines.  

First downs or bust ...

I will go to my grave believing Atlanta lost the Super Bowl to New England because (their then) All-Pro quality center Alex Mack broke his leg just before halftime.  Afterwhich, the Falcons running game completely collapsed like a cheap poker table.  Atlanta's inability to achieve first downs compromised their entire second half.  They instantly became one-dimensional; Bill Belichick and Tom Brady and took care of the rest.

The Denver Broncos have a good defense, and Washington features better security.  But the same cannot be said of the Atlanta Falcons.  We shall see if these Hog Mollies are trending or not.


ICYMI



Saturday, September 12, 2020

N.Y. Giants: Novice Nick Gates is Latest Center of the Day

From the desk of: DO IT FOR THE DUKE

IN SEARCH OF THE ELUSIVE
 ALPHA HOGMOLLIE

The New York Giants Latest Attempt at Center: Guard Nick Gates

It's ponderous to me how such an integral, physical, cerebral, technical position as center warrants so little consideration.  There's always some stop gap measure available to fill the slot, never a premiere talent.  Smart teams know better and reap the benefits, others not so much.  The Giants are grouped in with the latter and it drives me nuts.  I'm not just talking about Dave Gettlemen either.

The Colts recently made Ryan Kelly the highest paid center in the NFL.  Why do you think the Steelers locked up Maurkice Pouncey long term?  Remember in SB51 how the Falcons crumbled in the second half against the Patriots?  All that transpired after center Alex Mack sustained a broken leg late in the second quarter.  Atlanta's running game vanished from sight, pass protection was compromised and Matt Ryan came under attack.  Not even Bill Belichick can defend against a great center.  Ask him ... I'll wait .......  The Falcons ability to sustain first downs was completely wiped out all due to losing Alex Mack.  Just a few first downs, two first downs, one more first down, and the Patriots do not win.  A formidable New York Jets running game among other things withered away once Nick Mangold hung up his uniform.  Ask Tom Brady what he thought of Dan Koppen.

I can go on because I believe center is the fifth most important position on the field.  It's a multifaceted position.  No one touches the ball more.  Every play starts with them.  They're in charge of an entire unit - the offensive line.  On each and every play they must analyze and adapt to what is being presented before them, then disseminate this information and insure the line operates in unison.  In that regard, centers are not allowed to be wrong, unlike, say, a receiver running a wrong route or a running back rushing the wrong gap.  For as long as the line is operating as one, defective and broken plays can be altered and even saved.  Otherwise, a center needs to be correct with each and every call, be it pass protection or run blocking.  Defensive linemen will also tell you the shortest path to the quarterback goes through center.  They must identify the blitz despite being entangled with a nose tackle.  Thus centers work with quarterbacks and even help call audibles and influence play calling.  They must know a quarterback's snap count like his heartbeat.  How come you rarely ever see a center jump off-sides?  Because they're smart and disciplined, and they have the damn ball!

Show me a legitimate Super Bowl contender and/or winner and I promise you in most instances there is a Pro-Bowl quality center nearby.  This a not a foreign notion to the Giants.  Bart Oates was a five time Pro-Bowl center and member of the Super Bowl XXI and XXV champions.

In 2000, Dusty Ziegler is imported from Buffalo as the upgrade over Derek Engler and Brian Williams.  No Pro-Bowls, no Super Bowl victory either, just good enough for an NFC title.

In 2004 Shaun O'Hara is brought in to solidify the middle of the line.  It becomes a dominant offensive line that would set a record for most consecutive starts together.  O'Hara is a three time Pro-Bowler and center for the XLII Super Bowl champions.

George Young .. Bart Oates .. strong running game .. Lombardi trophies.
Ernie Accorsi ..  Shaun O'Hara .. strong running game .. Lombardi trophy.

Before the 2011 season O'Hara is cut and replaced with former San Francisco Niner David Baas.  He is decent but a noticeable downgrade.  Fortunately he is playing alongside four line mates chasing down a second Super Bowl trophy.  Any David Baas deficiencies where covered up by them.  He was never a Pro-Bowl quality center and was fortunate to win a Super Bowl (with the Giants).

Nick Gates is young, tenacious, willing and able.  Alas he is not a center.  Gates is a guard who will start the season at center.  This will be his second active season with the Giants.  He appeared in all sixteen games last season, but all at guard.  Which is to say this will be his first regular season experience at the new position.  He is 6'6", 318 lbs., out of Nebraska.  If I'm stereotyping line men, well then he fits the traditional description.  But can a novice master the responsibilities of playing center and still develop effective technique.  This very transition has overwhelmed many linemen in the past.  Center is a unique and demanding endeavor requiring a measure of leadership skills as well.

Gates replaces Spencer Pulley as the starting center.  However, both will man the position.  Pulley was the one who replaced Jon Halapio who couldn't stay on the field due to injuries.  Halapio was drafted in 2014 by the Patriots, but did not play his first NFL game until joining the Giants in 2016.  For you locals, Halapio in 2015 played for the Brooklyn Bolts at Coney Island prior to his arrival at MetLife Stadium.  What the heck does that tell you?

Fuhggeddaboudit..!!

The position of center has been problematic ever since the team and Shaun O'Hara parted ways.  That's on Jerry Reese and Dave Gettleman, who still doesn't seem to care.

But, hey, I hope Nick Gates wins the day.


Sunday, October 22, 2017

N.Y. Giants: What The Fluker Was That?

From the desk of:  DO IT FOR THE DUKE



SUNDAY
Seattle Seahawks
vs.
New York Giants
FROM
Jimmy Hoffa Grounds

New York Giants: Was Last Sunday Just a Fluker?

Seattle will be ready.  The Giants won't be able to pull a fast one over the Seahawks like they did against the Broncos in Denver.

It was painfully evident last week, offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan was not going to put Eli Manning in harms way.  Yes, the offensive line allowed another three sacks, but that's routine stuff at this point.  Instead, Coach Sullivan limited Eli to 19 passes, who completed 11 of them.  Only five receptions were made by four different fill-in receivers.  Rookie tight end Evan Engram accounted for another five receptions, and one toss went to Orleans Darkwa out of the backfield.

Denver is a good team with a top tier defense.  Yet, the Giants rushed 31 times for 148 yards; an average of 4.6 yards per carry.

Were the Broncos simply caught off guard?  Did they simply have a bad day at the office?

One now has to wonder about the impact D.J. Fluker played in Sunday's game.  He single-handed opened up swaths of daylight for Orleans Darkwa starting at center in place of Weston Richburg (concussion protocol).

Bart Oates was the Giants starting center from 1985 through 1993, during which time he appeared in three Pro Bowls.  He was their center in 1986, and went to the Pro Bowl during the Giants 1990 Super Bowl season.  He played out his final two season with San Francisco, making the Pro Bowl each time.

Shaun O'Hara was brought over from Cleveland in 2004, and became the Giants starting center for the next seven seasons.  He started for the 2007 Super Bowl champions, and appeared in three straight Pro Bowls between 2008 - 2010.

David Baas was signed as a free agent to replace O'Hara the following season.  Despite winning a Super Bowl in 2011 with Baas at center, he went on to become an expensive bust.  But then again, the 2011 season was the last bit of goodness Jerry Reese was able to squeeze out of that offensive line.

Since then, it's been all downhill.

Now in his fourth season, Weston Richburg, 25, was selected by the Giants in the second round (43rd overall) of the 2014 draft.  He has missed the last two games, placed in concussion protocol, which brings us to D.J. Fluker.

Now 29-years old, D.J. was selected in the first round (11th overall) of the 2013 draft by the Chargers.  Only problem is, he is used to playing right guard.

So what do we make of last Sunday?

The man is 6'5", and weighs 339 pounds.  Weston Richburg is 6'3", 298lbs.

Hmm.

Seattle will be expecting the Giants to run ... again.  I'm sure of it.

So, I'm going to reserve judgement until after Sunday's game against the Seahawks.

I have a saying: Once is an event; twice is a coincidence; and three times is a trend.

Nuff ced.